let's go back and talk about the benghazi business. you heard both dianne feinstein and lindsey graham say stuff happened that shouldn't have happened here and the security was not what it ought to be. what do you think went wrong? >> well, it's very clear to me, bob, that the intelligence was right about the threat in benghazi. now, they department know the specific day and the specific event, but all of the threat streams were right. what went wrong were the policy and decision makers at department of state did not make the right security call, and i argue it's gross negligence. there were discussion prior to, to consolidate space in benghazi. we had different consulates -- not consulates but other operations around town. they thought about bringing everything in one place, and they thought that place was so unsecure, they shouldn't do it. now, that decision was made prior to the 9/11 fortunate. that means that somebody was absolutely negligent in not providing the right security to the ambassador and the employees that lost their li